SLMAW 013 – Be a Regular Joe not a Holy Joe with Jeff Kisiah

Jeff Kisiah

What You’ll Hear:

    • Jeff Kisiah was a high school coach who has gone by “Coach K”, was an associate pastor for 30 years focusing on Men’s Ministry
    • Since 2013, Jeff has been the National Field Director for the Man in the Mirror organization, whose mission is to help men disciple men
    • After attending 22 Promise Keeper conferences, Jeff was looking for ways to make Men’s Ministry more sustainable, and was drawn to Patrick Morley at MIM and the No Man Left Behind Principles. These principles include an all-inclusive mindset and leaders complementing, not competing with the vision of their church.

  • There are 3 common mistakes most men’s ministries make
  • Jeff believes in the ministry of hanging out at work, and recommends we be a regular Joe not a holy Joe
  • Find out what your co-workers enjoy and establish a relationship with them
  • At work, we need to look at other men through the eyes of Jesus, not the eyes of judgment

Intro

Since February, 2013, Jeff Kisiah, also known as “Coach “K””, has been the National Field Director for the Man in the Mirror organization, whose mission is to help men disciple men.

He provides ministry expertise and oversight to the MIM Field Staff located around the country.

Jeff was an Associate Pastor for nearly three decades in SC, FL and NC, focusing primarily on Men’s Discipleship.

After attending 22 PK Conferences in 10 years, he began to implement “No Man Left Behind” principles from MIM for sustainability in his local church (Harvest Community) in Charlotte, where he founded MVP (Men of Valor & Prayer).

Jeff married Candie from Chattanooga, TN on July, 1980 and they have two children, Kristi and Brooks, along with a granddaughter, Madison.  Jeff proudly serves as the official “Mayor of Madisonville”!

Brett Clemmer, Vice President of MIM, has stated that “Coach K is a “relentless warrior” in the Battle for Men’s Souls.

Q&A*

When did you become a Christian?

August 31, 1964.  6-1/2 years old.  We were driving to church.  I asked Dad, “Can anybody be saved?”.  I made my profession of faith that morning.

Why are you called Coach K?

I was a high school coach for 6 years.  Part of 4 championship teams.  My last name was hard to pronounce and spell so I settled in on Coach K.

Since 2013 you’ve been the National Field Director for the Man in the Mirror Organization, whose mission is to help men disciple men.  Tell us about Man in the Mirror

It’s celebrated 30 years.  Parachurch ministry, worked with over 30,000 churches.  Pat Morley wrote the book “The Man in the Mirror: Solving the 24 Problems Men Face” (also in audio).  We exist to serve pastors, train leaders and see God transform the lives of men.

You attended 22 PK conferences and then implemented the “No man left behind” principles at your church in Charlotte.  What is this “No man left behind” all about?

I would think, what are we going to do the other 51 weeks of the year.  Toward the tail end of the PK era, we started taking fewer and fewer men.  I wanted to address the question of sustainability.  I heard Pat Morley speak on this topic.  I hitched my wagon to Man in the Mirror.

We’re a research based ministry.  We came up with 12 key concepts that give us a grasp of what’s taking place. Here are 3.

  • Portal priority.
  • 3 strands of leadership. Pastoral staff. Passionate leader. Leadership team.  We train our leaders to compliment, not compete, with the vision of the church.
  • All inclusive mindset.  We want to change it from Men’s Ministry to Ministry to Men.  We don’t have to just gather men in gender only environments.  Every man in the church is involved in the Ministry to Men.

What are 3 common mistakes churches make with ministry to men

  1. Lack of intentionality.  Avg church is focused on the other 3 sub-groups: women, youth, and children as they should be.  Let’s have men involved in each of these groups.
  2. Lack of multiple entry points.  Sometimes it’s only fellowship, or only discipleship.  Need various stages for men.
  3. Lack of personal awareness.  Need life-on-life connection.  Barnabus luncheon tour.  One-on-one lunch.  Need to know our players

How do you apply these principles at work?

I’m a proponent of the ministry of hanging out, giving a man what he needs in the context of what he wants.

Don’t come across as a holy Joe but as a regular Joe.  Get together with someone one-on-one.

What is the greatest misunderstanding men have about their work?

A man wraps his identity in his work.  The business card tells me what he does not who he is.  We need to find our identity in Jesus Christ.

Tell us about a difficult person you’ve worked with.

I would come home at summer and work with average guys.  The natural man does not understand the things of God.  We need to look at them through the eyes of Jesus, not the eyes of judgment.

How important is excellence at work?

Be careful about cheating the system and sharing the Gospel while on the clock.  But be committed to excellence, just as when the tabernacle was built.  Put in not just a full days work but quality.

How important is integrity at work?

I would hear men talk about other men placing items without receipts on their expense account, to get a reimbursement more than what is owed.  I would tell them to do the right thing and honor Christ.

Share a tip for sharing the Gospel.

1 Thessalonians 2:8 “ So, affectionately longing for you, we were well pleased to impart to you not only the gospel of God, but also our own lives, because you had become dear to us.” (NKJV) – Paul was sharing his whole life.  Most men are not willing to share the living word.  Jesus wanted to break bread with Zachiaus.  So in the workplace, find out what your peers enjoy and establish a relationship with them.

When you show an interest in people’s lives, you establish credibility and connect with them in a natural manner.

Can you share a joke our men can share at their work?

I’m a focused guy, but I do enjoy humor.

2 guys in military, one from Texas, one from New York.  The guy from New York said “Tex, I’m going to take you somewhere in my home state.”  He takes him to Niagara Falls and said “Tex, tell me you have a waterfall in Texas that’s bigger and better than that.” Tex said “No, but we have a plumber who could stop this leak in 30 minutes.”

What’s your favorite scripture, or life verse.

Psalm 37:4 “Delight yourself also in the Lord, and He shall give you desires of your heart” (NKJV)

I’m on a life long quest to delight myself in God.  Our worship of God enhances our walk with God, energizing our work for God.

Can you recommend 1 or 2 things to listen to on our commute to work.

The commute into work should be used to pray for your supervisor and fellow employees, and to listen to good worship music.  Also audiobooks and apps.  We have a ministry partner gotandem, an app that sends specified scripture to guys based on their at risk areas.

On the commute home, pray for your family.  Dial it back.

Final thoughts?

We should be on a quest for stillness.  Psalm 46:10 “Be still and know that I am God” (NKJV).  A good resource for that is “Soul Keeping: Caring For the Most Important Part of You” by John Ortberg (also in audio).

How can our men reach you?

email: coachkmvp@gmail.com

facebook.com/jeffkisiah – I have a travel log for my travels

*Q&A not word for word.  Answers are paraphrased and abbreviated.

Summary of Links from the Episode

The Man in the Mirror: Solving the 24 Problems Men Face” by Pat Morley
Soul Keeping: Caring For the Most Important Part of You” by John Ortberg

gotandem app

Scripture: 1 Thessalonians 2:8, Psalm 37:4, Psalm 46:10

 

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